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Lucio Fulci's New Gladiators (US DVD vs. DK VHS)

Indlæg: fre 18. jul 2014 17:41
af Diabolik
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Når talen falder på Lucio Fulci, så er det ofte i forbindelse med hans gyserfilm så som Woodoo - rædslernes grønne ø, Zombiernes by, Woodoo - rædslernes hotel o.s.v....
Disse film er allerede tjekket i hoved og røv for alternative versioner, alternative dubs og hvad har vi, så jeg har her i sommervarmen valgt at kaste et blik på en af hans mere oversete film; Rome, 2072 A.D. - The New Gladiators (I Guerrieri dell'Anno 2072).
Jeg kan huske første gang jeg så den, var da en kammerat og mig lejede den i midt-90'erne i Video Vest i Herning (sammen med Ciro Ippolito's Alien 2, forresten!).
Jeg skal da ærligt indrømme, at vi ikke ligefrem var ovenud begejstret for denne italo-science fiction, men det skyldtes jo nok at vi havde forventet en go' gedigen omgang blood'n'guts da vi allerede på det tidspunkt havde stiftet bekendskab med de fleste af hans gysere...
Nå, men for et par år eller 5 siden, da Axel Music var mit foretrukne DVD indkøbssite, købte jeg den amerikanske Troma-udgivelse... og i forgårs aften satte jeg mig så for at gense den og for at tjekke om der skulle være noget ekstra eller omvendt, mangle noget i en af udgivelserne...

Allerede ved måling af tiderne kunne jeg se, at der muligvis var noget galt med Troma-udgaven;
Troma DVD; ca. 90'21 min. (NTSC) [~ 86'39 min. (PAL)]
AB-Collection VHS; ca. 89'59 min. (PAL)

Og efter kun at have tjekket 2 minutter af de 2 udgivelser, ja så var det bekræftet; Der tale om 2 forskellige versioner...
Her er så, en så fyldestgørende sammenligning af de to udgaver som det har været mig muligt at lave, men kan måske være en smutter imellem, da det har været svært at lave en sammenligning denne gang fordi Troma (for jeg tror at det er dem som har ændret på filmens indhold!) har virkelig haft gang i den... De få blodige sekvenser der er i filmen, er intakte i begge versioner, men Troma har i deres visdom ikke blot valgt at fjerne historiemæssige scener fra deres udgivelse, men har også enten fjernet eller ændret speaket i de sekvenser hvor der er sportskommentator på!
(NB. Efter at have hørt en del inteviews med Lloyd Kaufmann, så lyder det faktisk som om at det er ham der lægger stemme til... Anyone knows? Kommentatoren i DK udgaven lyder mere som en downbeat udgave af ham der er samplet ind i Ben Liebrand's 12''-version af Yello's The Race)...
Og sidst, ikke at jeg er 100% procent sikker, men 'hørt' i forhold til den danske video udgave, virker det som om at man har skruet ned for Riz Ortolani-scoret og op for motorcykel-brølene...

Efter nu at have set begge versioner så må jeg erkende, at The New Gladiators på ingen er måde et mesterværk... MEN den danske version er en betydelig mere helstøbt film set i forhold til den amerikanske version, da den danske indeholder scener som er rimelig væsentlige for historien og gør den faktisk til en ok science fiction film... Ligeledes er de originale speaks mere a la en rigtig sportskommentators end Troma's ynkelige forsøg på sports-speak!!

Nå, men over til sammenligningen:
Sammenlignings grundlag;
Dansk VHS fra AB-Collection (Letterbox... lidt uldent billede, men et ellers nydeligt print / engelsk dub / 89'59 min. (PAL))
Amerikansk DVD fra Troma (P/S... dårlig overførsel, visse scener er nærmest pixelerede / engelsk dub / 90'21 min. (NTSC))

Begge udgivelser benytter 'Rome, 2072 A.D. - The New Gladiators'-printet.

TRIMMET SCENE I US VERSION
00:01:23
Mens der står 'directed by Lucio Fulci' ser man, i den danske udgave, arena'en og spot'sene i baggrunden og man kan ane Drake der kører imod os seere... og stopper lige da han er bag 'directed by Lucio Fulci'-skiltet... I US-udgaven klippes der inden Drake 'når' directed by Lucio Fulci-skiltet;
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FLYTTET SCENE / NY SPEAK I US VERSION
00:01:24
Efter 'directed by Lucio Fulci' klipper US DVD til en flyvetur over fremtidens Rom tilsat en fortællerstemme.
Denne sekvens er faktisk en scene som foregår i anden henseende i den danske version, men som Troma har valgt at klippe ud og så lægge den først i filmen... måske for at give filmen lidt 'Blade Runner' over sig... og man har ovenikøbet også valgt at knytte en fortællerstemme på;

'The year is 2072 and decades of war have become part of mankinds inheritance... Violence is a way of life and the masses crave it!
In an attempt to profit from this addiction to violence, the two major international television networks began broadcasting programs based on pain, brutality and human destruction. These programs became so popular that an intend rivalry for ratings arose between the two networks. It grew into a battle more terrifying than anyone could've imagined...'

Jeg har efter bedste beskub forsøgt, at gengive de nye 'speaks' sammen med dem som brugt i DK-versionen (Visse ord kan jeg simplethen ikke høre/forstå)... OBS. Alle tidsangivelser er baseret på US DVD...

ÆNDRET SPEAK I US VERSION
00:01:58
US: 'Tonight... Live on 7-Seas Inter-television, it's super champion Drake in the show the whole world watches; Kill-bike... Featuring Chang of Pan-Asia... N'Komei of Afro-sector... Elgard, undefeated champion of Euro-sector... Takashima, top rank contender from Pacfic-sector and back in the game after last weeks brush with death; Wilson of Pan-America.'

'Kill-bike brought to you by 7-Seas Intertelevision... Live... Until the death!'

'Once again Drake is Kill-bike champion.'

[Grundet US DVD-udgavens ekstra spilletid grundet 'flyveturen' i starten, så starter kommentatorens monolog på DK allerede ved 00:01:21]

DK: 'This is John Sperling live from the Angel Stadium in Atlantic City, New Jersey... It's the Saturday Night 7-Seas spectacular... Laserbeamed throughout the world by 7-Seas own multi-channel satellite.

Tonight, 7-Seas Intertelevision is proud to present your own super champion Drake as he challenges 5 of the worlds top Kill-bikers; Mali Atan... 7 times champion of The Yellow Seat, Ultza... Undefeated champion of Afghanistan, [Aliv?] of Arabia... Also known as The Fighting Sheik, [Muris?]... The Tiger of Asia and champion
of Burma... and last, but not least; Arim... Champion of the Glacier conferation.'

'You may remember live audiences were banned 10 years ago after 2000 fans were killed in crowd violence.'

'And it's time for the traditional ride pass ceremony that preceeds every Kill-bike contest... Look at the control these champions have over the machines.'

'Those spectacular [slag?] of jumps are designed to sharpen the riders skill and timing for the contest that is about to begin.'

'And there's the start'

'Aliv and Mali Atan has Drake in a sandwich... The champ looks like he might be in trouble, but no, a left kick to the chest and Aliv bites the dust... and now Drake is going after Mali Atan... Drake's fist catches him with a devistating blow... There's dialog between Drake and Muris, but Ultza has zero'ed in on the champ and here he come. But it is Drake who makes the move and now there's only one left; Arim, The Tiger of Asia.
It's that left foot again and there goes The Tiger... Not even a better luck next time for him.'

'Once again Drake is 7-Seas undispute Kill-bike champion.'

SCENE MANGLER I US VERSION
US versionen klipper lige efter Drake der tager hjelmen af og kommentatoren siger; 'Once again Drake is Kill-bike champion.' DK versionen fortsætter med Cortez (ansat på den konkurrerende TV-station WBS) der i misundelse kommenterer på 7-Seas Kill-bike show.
00:03:48
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NY SPEAK I US VERSION
00:05:56
Efter WBS visning af deres modsvar til Kill-bike, The Danger Game' er der tilføjet 'The ratings are not acceptable... the ratings are not acceptable... the ratings are not acceptable' da tælleren der tæller ratings rammer 32.
Maskinen siger ingenting i DK versionen.

SCENE MANGLER I US VERSION
00:06:05
Cortez skælder Sarah ud for de dårlige ratings... US klipper lige efter Cortez siger; 'That's the winner you cooked up? A new low!'... DK fortsætter;
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SCENE MANGLER I US VERSION
00:07:41
Her er så scenen som Troma har klippet ud og lagt først i deres udgave... I den danske version vises scenen i forbindelse med WBS's kontrolrum ankomst til Rom... Egentlig en meget sjov idé med at kontrolrummet er en form for rumskib der flyver fra sportsarena til sportsarena og så lander på toppen af søjler, så de danner noget der ligner kontroltårnene i lufthavnene!
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SCENE MANGLER I US VERSION
00:51:00
Da Drake og hans med-gladiatorer tilfangetages under deres mislykkede flugtforsøg, klipper US versionen lige efter Cortez siger til Drake; 'You're a star'... DK versionen fortsætter med at vise, at flugtforsøget var ventet og blev sendt i TV.
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ÆNDRET SPEAK I US VERSION
01:02:41
US: 'Tonight... Live on the World Broadcasting System! The ultimate death sports spectacular: Battle of the Damned.'

DK: 'Live from the new Colosseum in Rome, Italy: The Battle of the Damned in Global Vision on WBS.'

MANGLENDE SPEAK I US VERSION
01:03:04
US: Ingen speak

DK: 'The most sensational shows ever concieved for video entertainment in the comfort of your own homes.'

ÆNDRET SPEAK I US VERSION
01:03:09
US: 'And here come the contestants... All are condemned criminals fighting for their lives on Battle of the Damned.'

DK: '... and here they come... The gladiators of the 21st Century.
Each Kill-bike contestant is a condemned criminal who hope to escape public execution by outriding and outwiting the 19 other contestants and so winning this extraordinary event.'

ÆNDRET SPEAK I US VERSION
01:04:03
US: 'Let's meet the foremost dangerous contestants... Remember each man is a convicted murderer condemned to death. First Drake... Undefeated super champion of the world. Kirk... Leading opponent from Euro-sector. Tango... Top ranks challenger from Pan-America... and last, but certainly not least that outstanding Kill-Biker from Pan-Asia; Akira'

DK: 'Now, as the tension rises let's meet these megamen [?] who will risk everything for a chance to start a new life. First Drake... World famous sports hero and the star of our show. Kirk... The chainsaw murderer from Minnesota. Tango from Argentina... 21 count of homicide. Akira... The scourge of outer Mongolia.'

MANGLENDE SCENE I US VERSION
01:05:23
US mangler indledningen til starten til Battle of the Damned.
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NYT SPEAK I US VERSION
01:06:01
US: 'The exitement here is tremendous as starting time draws closer and the countdown to death continues.'

DK: Ingen speak.

MANGLENDE SPEAK I US VERSION
01:06:46
US: Kun ved 01:06:52 ytres et 'and they're off!]

DK: 'This is it... The riders search forward for their first big clash... There's is Akira and Obranski fighting it out hand-to-hand. Watch that samurai-sword do its job... and the first gladiator bites the dust.
Van Hagen grabs a lans and turns to face a double challenge... It's 2 down and 17 to go.
Gladiators regroup for their next clash.
[That's the one bike raining] down on Drake... He swings with his hammer... Drake avoids the blow and sweeps his assailant out of the saddle. A biker down, but not up... Houuuwwwwiieeee... A [?]'s out of the fight for Schultz.
At the end of two clashes it's 4 down and 15 to go.'

MANGLENDE SPEAK I US VERSION
01:08:38
US: Ingen speak

DK: 'That's Abdul in sliding into close-up... 6 counts of coldbloded murder... an expert with every kind of blade.
The deadly passes of elimination continues... Now 8 are down. There's that lanser again... The weakest fall to the strongest as a relentless process of natural selection runs its course... '

MANGLENDE SPEAK I US VERSION
01:09:28
US: Ingen speak

DK: '9 down and 10 to go... Drake plunges with his left foot... another contestant swirls out of control... Now there are only 10 [competers?] left alive.'

MANGLENDE SCENE I US VERSION
01:09:37
Kort scene hvor Hank (ham til højre) siger noget til John Sperling (Kommentatoren) mangler.
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MANGLENDE SCENE I US VERSION
01:09:51
Scenen hvor Cortez bliver nægtet stemmeadgang til 'den gode computer' Junior mangler + den efterfølgende scene hvor politiet fortæller Cortez at man har fundet hans assistent myrdet...
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ÆNDRET SPEAK I US VERSION
01:09:58
US: 'And now back to the new Euro-sector Colosseum as the death-sport network returns with the thrilling climax of history's most exciting and extraordinary sporting event... It's Battle of the Damned, part 2.'

DK: 'And now its back to the new Colosseum arena and John Sperling for more action and thrills in Battle of the Damned, part 2.'
'Thank you, Hank... And once again it's John Sperling from the Eternal City, talking to you live on WBS Global Vision... After the individual combat event, WBS presents part 2 of the most spectacular videoshow ever seen...'

ÆNDRET SPEAK I US VERSION
01:10:20
US: 'In this incredibly fase of the competition the weary survivors of the first battle pair on into two-man teams to thrive their death-chariots to victory in 20 grueling laps of no holds barred action. It's a savage contest of men and machines, a desperate fight for survival... Win, they live... Lose, they die...'

DK: 'You thrilled to the savage intensity and the hand-to-hand combat... Now you're in for another exceptional human contest; 'The fight to the finish'-chariot race... 20 [paraless?] laps of no holds barred motorized conflict...
Death is the penalty for the gladiator who leaves the track or refuses combat.
Death will ride with every man as he fights for his life.
Only the best has survived to man the 5 chariots; Bat with Drake, Abdul with Stone, Akira with Kirk, Tango with Shorty, Ogre with Shot... Pretorians control the sidelines ready to eliminate any contestants who tries to escape.'

NYT SPEAK I US VERSION
01:11:17
US: 'The contestants are heading for the starting line... In a matter of moments the Battle of the Damned will be on the way.'

DK: Ingen speak.

NYT SPEAK I US VERSION
01:11:37
US: 'Take a good look at these contestants, because for these men violent death is just second away.'

DK: Ingen speak

MANGLENDE SPEAK I US VERSION I US
01:11:59
US: Ingen speak

DK: 'Take a good look at these men, you'll never see them again alive. Only one will live to see another day... Over to you, Hank, for the countdown.'

MANGLENDE SPEAK I US VERSION I US
01:12:21
US: Ingen speak

DK: 'And it's back to you, John.'

MANGLENDE SPEAK I US VERSION
01:12:24
US: Ingen speak

DK: 'Abdul and Stone are first of the line with a vicious side swipe into Drake's chariot, but the champ's not caught nothing [?]... He swirls away racing down the sidelines.'

MANGLENDE SPEAK I US VERSION
01:14:06
US: Ingen speak

DK: 'There goes the first victim of the second event.
[With] his partner gone, Drake is now the fastest man on the track, but the other 4 chariots are hounding him all the way.
Kill-bike champion Drake is an expert at one-sided combat... Drake is setting the pace... Calling the [tune/tomb?]

MANGLENDE SPEAK I US VERSION
01:15:15
US: Ingen speak

DK: 'Oh, a nasty way to go. Now there are only 8 desperate men [fighting?] for a new tomorrow.'

MANGLENDE SPEAK I US VERSION
01:15:33
US: Ingen speak

DK: 'Drake strikes again and Shot pays the price.'

MANGLENDE SPEAK I US VERSION
01:15:38
US: Ingen speak

DK: '[?]... That chariot is out of control... Right into a perimeter obstacle.. The Pretorian guard zaps the gladiator for being off the track.'


MANGLENDE SPEAK I US VERSION
01:16:06
US: Ingen speak

DK: 'Shorty takes one of Abduls knives in the back... That's 5 down and 4 to go.'

MANGLENDE SPEAK I US VERSION
01:16:22
US: Ingen speak

DK: 'There goes another as Akira [stewers?] Stone in the [?].'

MANGLENDE SPEAK I US VERSION
01:16:34
US: Ingen speak

DK: 'There is something unscheduled happening in the arena... Drake and Abdul appear to be teaming up...

ÆNDRET SPEAK I US VERSION
01:16:43
US: '... [?] something strange has just occured on the track, a serious violation of death sport rules... A lone Kill-biker has just appeared on the track.'

DK: '...And what's that? A lone Kill-biker has just entered the track.'

NYT SPEAK I US VERSION
01:17:15
US: 'We are experiencing some minor technical difficulties... We hope to have them corrected as soon as possible...'

DK: Ingen speak

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Re: Lucio Fulci's New Gladiators (US DVD vs. DK VHS)

Indlæg: lør 19. jul 2014 20:41
af HenrikL
Et enormt stykke arbejde, at lave sådan et indlæg. Desværre kender jeg ikke filmen.

Re: Lucio Fulci's New Gladiators (US DVD vs. DK VHS)

Indlæg: man 21. jul 2014 08:12
af Kinski
Stærkt arbejde!!

Re: Lucio Fulci's New Gladiators (US DVD vs. DK VHS)

Indlæg: tirs 18. nov 2014 09:41
af charles ray
Der er flere måder at gøre dette. Én løsning kan være at købe en omformer fra et såkaldt RCA kabel (typisk et rødt, gult og hvidt kabel) som konverterer signalet til USB.

Re: Lucio Fulci's New Gladiators (US DVD vs. DK VHS)

Indlæg: tirs 18. nov 2014 15:38
af Ovesen
charles ray skrev:Der er flere måder at gøre dette. Én løsning kan være at købe en omformer fra et såkaldt RCA kabel (typisk et rødt, gult og hvidt kabel) som konverterer signalet til USB.

Hvem tager batterierne ud af robotten? :?

Re: Lucio Fulci's New Gladiators (US DVD vs. DK VHS)

Indlæg: søn 30. nov 2014 17:11
af Jack J
Ja, kanon arbejde, Diabolik!!! bow bow bow